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Monday, June 12, 2006

Open Letter to the Saleswomen Working at JJill

Hi. Remember me? I'm sure that you do. In fact I'd be willing to bet that you haven't stopped talking about me since I left.

This morning I went into your store to return a shirt I bought that had the hem ripped out of the bottom. You weren't as nice or apologetic as I felt you should be since I am the one who bought a defective shirt and had to come all the way back to the store to return it. But, whatever. I was willing to overlook that as I browsed through the store to see if I might like to exchange it for something else.

I browsed around, a little perplexed by the sheer volume of elastic waist clothing. Um, yuck. Are you a clothing store for old people and I just didn't know it?

So I walked through the store and found a different shirt. I was still looking when my husband popped into the store to see if I was done yet. He is frightened if I am in the store for too long.

You had to stop what you were doing and count my children out loud. I'm used to that. I don't understand it, but I am used to it. I'm willing to humor you and laugh when you do that, and correct you when you count incorrectly. Because seven is such huge number it is hard to count that high.

What I am not used to, nor will I ever make excuses for is blatant rude behavior to my children. When you stepped in front of my eldest son and said, "Can I help you, boys?" while blocking their way into the store, you crossed a line.

When you stared at them, with a look of horror on you face, which is how my 11 yr old described your expression by the way, you crossed a line. Then you looked down your nose at me as if I was a leper that you couldn't wait to leave your store. Who do you think you are?

I know the stereotypes about women who have lots of children. I have heard more than my fair share of rude and obnoxious comments ranging from, "Do they all have the same father?" to "Are you on welfare?" Both of which I won't even justify with a response. And the not so sublte glances to my ring finger to check out my wedding rings. And for the record, yes, they are real. Are yours? Because they looked fake to me. But shhhhh, I won't tell.

Giving birth seven times may have weakened my stomach muscles, and my bladder control has never been the same, but surprisingly my hearing is intact. That was why I turned to you and said, "Hi. I can hear you, you know."

Then you said to me, "What did you do pop one out every year?" and "I'd kill myself." Well you pissed me off, frankly.

Afterall, you are the one working in the store. Not me. You are there to wait on me. Not the other way around. I'm not sure that you could afford to shop in the store with what you must be making an hour, so your behavior confuses me. There is nothing I hate more than stuck up sales people. You work in a clothing store. Despite what you may think, that is just a tiny side step from being a cashier at Wal-mart.

And that is why I took a perverse amount of pleasure in saying, "It's too bad that nothing in this store comes in my size. It's all so.... big."



chris

112 Comments:

Blogger "D" said...

oh, I'm sorry... you HAVE to write/call the management. That was inexcusable and she should be at LEAST reprimanded. Seriously... now I'm all pissed off too.

5:46 PM  
Anonymous Susan said...

You are a far better woman than I.

Please, please tell me that you are going to send this to the every level of management, up to and including the CEO of that company, and that the letter will include her name.

That is beyond rude.

5:49 PM  
Blogger Code Yellow Mom said...

I'm the oldest of seven and "clever" people on more than one occasion asked my mom, when they found out she was expecting (again! Gasp!), or right after a baby was born, "Don't you know what causes that?!" She started telling them that she thought it was Weight Watchers. :)

I continue to be amazed at how insolent and assuming people can be about children, before the children even have a chance to misbehave. And what business is it of theirs how many and how often you give birth?!

Your letter is a hoot, though, and I feel for you and your kids - I've been both the kid and the parent in that kind of thing now. (Payless Shoe Source lady, I still want to kick your shins!)

You're response was awesome!

5:57 PM  
Blogger txmommy said...

when I shop with all my kids I want sympathy not stares:) Sorry for your bad shopping experience.

6:01 PM  
Blogger Bethany said...

Ouch! she said THAT? Aloud?

My. Oh my.

6:05 PM  
Blogger kfk said...

Cha-ching!

6:19 PM  
Blogger Xenia Kathryn said...

someone I know responds, "Is this the best customer service you give?" each time a sales person is rude.

I'm young and I just have one baby, but my husband and I are open to having a big family (which is why I enjoy reading your blog). And having worked in sales, I think I'd kill myself working at J.Jill... gimme the 7 kids any day!

I hope you send a letter and I hope this woman is fired! ack, barf on her.

6:24 PM  
Anonymous michele said...

I'm sure you've been asked this before. But how do you do it? Really? How? I have 2 boys, 2 years apart. They're 6 & 4 now. I honestly think I'm going crazy more times than not. Then I see a family like yours, with many more children than mine, and you seem well adjusted - and at least semi-in control. Have you ever done a "day in the life" entry? Could you direct me to it? I wasn't speaking figuratively - I really do want tips. I am a huge fan of your blog. Thanks for your entry today (even though I want to slap someone for you.)

6:25 PM  
Anonymous Jordana said...

Bwahahahaha!

What a rude lady, but you, my dear, are brilliant. Proving that once in a while one of us doesn't lose all our brain cells while having children.

Unfortunately, I didn't win that lottery.

6:29 PM  
Anonymous Amy said...

Love your blog!! You are not only a clever blogger and a great mom, you have the ability to keep your cool in a horrid situation AND come up with a humorous way to drive your point home.
I really hope you do send the letter to the store and to management. I hope she gets fired... I can't believe people like her actually exist and think it's ok to be that rude. Obviously she didn't have a mother like you.

6:42 PM  
Blogger The Green Family said...

I can't believe she said that!
I am so glad you took her down a few notches!

6:48 PM  
Blogger Kelli in the Mirror said...

I do a part-time assistant manager gig at a retail establishment, and I would be on the phone to my DM trying to get that girl fired immediately. Even if you're rude enough to think those things, you DO NOT say them to the customer. Ever.

Good for you for coming up with something snappy to say.

6:52 PM  
Blogger Libragirl said...

You so need to report her. Write, call, boycott the store...actually, keep sending your kids in when she is there...have them bring a bunch of stuff to the counter and leave it there.

6:53 PM  
Blogger Libragirl said...

Oh, but first, ask if she works on commision..cause..she just lost it.

6:53 PM  
Anonymous Dawn said...

That is too bad that happenned to you. I am able to deal with rudeness until it turns on my children. That is just not acceptable.

7:16 PM  
Anonymous Laurie said...

I can't believe she actually said that to you and your family. I agree with the others, your story ought to be forwarded to upper management. That's completely appalling.

7:17 PM  
Blogger maybaby said...

Oh, for the love of Pete.

You need to report this person. I would have decked her, I think.

When I see a large family, I assume that the parents love kids and wanted a bigger family. Period. Oh, and also, that the size of a family other than my own is none of my business.

Sheesh.

7:20 PM  
Blogger Melissa said...

Chris, I love this. And I am happy that I am not the only one who thinks things like, hello you work in a store in the mall, when they are rude to me. A teenager is one thing, but a grown woman. I can't believe they count your kids outloud. People are so rude.

7:20 PM  
Anonymous Ashley said...

Please, please send J.Jill a letter with an account of your experience. At worst you will get a letter of apology. At best, a gift certificate for your trouble.

And why is it that J. Jill shirts always lose their elastic? I have sent more then a few things back. I need to give them up. Now, more then ever.

7:35 PM  
Anonymous Closs said...

boy oh boy been there done that! What I love is when they ask do they all have the same Father?

Or my personal fave..."how many kids do you have?" And I respond "5" and they say..."no really...how many?" Yeah I just say 5 for shit and giggles..LoL !

7:46 PM  
Anonymous honestyrain said...

seriously? SERIOUSLY? wow. you need to contact the very tippy top highest person in the company over this one. you should get free clothing for a year over that. man!

8:01 PM  
Blogger Lilorfnannie said...

I moved to CT from the west coast several years before. I found a vast difference in the interpretation of the term "customer service" here, with few exceptions. I'm not the only transplant here to have noticed this by a long shot. Sorry but I'm really not surprised at that clerk's behavior at all.

8:56 PM  
Blogger Lilorfnannie said...

....I meant to add, it doesn't make her behavior any more acceptable. It was terrible. Poor little twit, she doesn't even realize what a little cretin she is.

8:58 PM  
Blogger Stephanie in TX said...

The correct answer to "I'd kill myself" is this. Reach out, pat her on the arm sympathetically. And in a voice oozing concern, say: "Oh, honey, don't let not having kids stand in your way!"

9:11 PM  
Blogger Greg said...

Nice play... not to repeat what has been previously posted, but people like that are dumb. You keep fighting the powers at J.Jill.

9:17 PM  
Blogger thatgirl said...

First of all, I love JJill. At least I love what I see in the catalog. I've never been in a store. I'm sad that they have this kind of representation. (And yes, it is for older women, but, it seems, hip older women who have good style.)

Second of all, you were way too nice to this woman. Had I been in your shoes, though, I probably would have been too flabbergasted to say what she truly deserved.

So do what everyone else is suggesting: contact the corporate powers that be and get this bitch fired. Actually, firing probably won't affect her. She'd just blame you. She needs some mandatory customer service or sensitivity training and a demotion or a drop in pay.

9:27 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I love J. Jill, too, probably in part because the store near me has great customer service and will take returns of items I've ordered on sale online as if OF COURSE they'll take it back, is there anything else they can do to make my day easier! And I think that makes it even MORE imperative to send this posting in its entirety to store management (and higher if you can track it down). This is better than a letter as it shows them how well-dispersed your discontent has been!

In fact, I won't even buy anything from J. Jill today to support your cause. Well, I wasn't going to anyway, but now I'm calling it a boycott.

Elizabeth

9:32 PM  
Blogger geminshadow79 said...

I can't believe some people!!! I was shocked. Why do people think they have to poke their noses where they don't belong! I know many people with large families as well.....so maybe I'm immune to the sight of so many children, but I just don't understand why people feel they have to comment on big families, to the mother no less. I dunno....

I agree with everyone else, you should right a letter to the head of the company...and if I had a J.Jill where I lived I'd so boycott it!

9:40 PM  
Blogger appleseed said...

I have long bemaoned the decline of customer service! At least the incident with the Old Navy shopping bag was funny... this is just sad!

9:54 PM  
Blogger Cheerio's on my butt? said...

okay now I'm mad! I HATE when people do that to me! So! I have started collecting machine guns and I was just wondering if you wanted to borrow one? They shut people up quick! Literally!
No for real, I'm sorry that you gotta deal with that. I feel for you. Good comeback. I think that it would be nice to have some t-shirts made with some big family pride written on there for us and the kids to wear. saying something like, big families are better at having fun! or whatever. you're better at doing t-shirts anyways. oh well. I think you rock.

10:50 PM  
Blogger European said...

I sure hope you called the manager or something. That's UNBELIEVABLE. Now excuse me while I go collect my jaw up off the floor. *shakes head*

10:56 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have been reading your archives because I don't have a good novel to read, and I guess as a blog-reader I'm just nosy that way. I notice SO many mentions of how rudely people treat you when they see you with all of the kids that I am embarassed on behalf of those of us with fewer than 4 kids. Geez, people! So now I have a question for when I see someone out with lots of kids. Is it okay to say something approving, like "wow, you are so lucky," to just look and smile, or to avert my eyes and pretend not to notice at all?

10:57 PM  
Anonymous Amyfan6967 said...

Please please please send a written complaint to the management.
You would be surprised what addresses you can find on the net.

I have sent many complaints as well as complimentary letters.
Glad to say I have seen results, at least one firing as well as calls from management thanking me for the compliments and nifty envelopes that arrived at my door with gift cards inside. Bennigan's changed their menu recently and my group had extremely rude and disrespectful service. Okay, so it was my quilt group - 8 little old ladies are not the type to like bad service - we each received $50 gift cards to either revisit or visit another restaurant in the chain. Management called each of us to personally apologize, and then followed up again a few weeks later to inquire how further visits had been. The squeaky wheel does get noticed!

11:05 PM  
Blogger Bluepaintred said...

ummm so how is it you arent in jail for her murder? or at the very least her assult? cus umm... thasty where i would be.. you have seven kids because you love kids ... pretty simple. I happen to admire you

11:34 PM  
Blogger J said...

Love J.Jill...Love you More..Thanks goodness u8 keep me sane...

12:04 AM  
Blogger Mocha said...

Out loud? She counted OUT LOUD? Do you ever slap people in public or can I offer my services to you? My resume is filled with "south side" "Chicago girl" and "teacher" so I can tussle with the best of them.

I got your back. It's all good.

12:11 AM  
Blogger Ashley said...

I'm so glad I'm not alone. I get those comments all the time. When I was pregnant with my last a woman counted out loud them whispered to her daughter "look there's 5 and she's pregnant...again." Then this weekend while heading to a bike rodeo I chirped in to the softball coach they were giving out free bike helmets and he asked me if they were handing out food stamps too. I just can't believe the audacity of people!!

12:32 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Chris, some people just don't get it! This lady reminds me of the women working at the Clinique or Lancome counter, who act like their **** don't stink! I just laugh to myself over these ladies and think the EXACT SAME THING - you HAVE to work, I don't! I guess it's just their warped view of what is desired and what's not. At least I don't have to get dressed up to shop at the mall, I can go in my denim jumper, or better yet in my Hero, "Comfortable Woman", clothes, no make up and laugh at them.

It's hard to be humble when you are right, though. I have a friend who has 11 children, wonderfully behaved kids, as are most HS kids. I couldn't imagine ANY lady in their faces, blocking the way into a store. I'd be so incredibly upset...I hope an apology in the form of a $500 gift certificate is on its way to you very soon!

12:38 AM  
Anonymous Fold My Laundry Please said...

I have to agree with what the majority of those commenting here suggest. Please, please, please contact the store manager and the district manager and report this person! I was a store manager at a nationwide, blue and yellow, video rental location and I know for a fact that contacting those two people will get you quick results, but you have to contact both of them. Letting the store manager know that you are contacting the district manager will help loads in getting the ball rolling. Unfortunately, I also know that the woman will probably not get fired unless this is not her first customer complaint. It will most likely result in her getting counseled by her store manager on customer service tactics and a write-up in the company records. However, if you do nothing, she will feel free to treat other people like this with no consequences for her actions. I am a firm believer that people should be held accountable!

I would also like to request that when you get great service, please let the store manager know about that, too. Working with the general public, you start to feel VERY unappreciated because you get treated badly by the vast majority of those you come into contact with. Finding out that you actually helped someone and made their day better provides you with the motivation to push through the nasty attitudes and try to provide better customer service.

And now I'll step off of my soapbox and let you get back to what's really important...reporting that uninformed wench!

1:12 AM  
Blogger The(un)PerfectMother said...

The nerve of some people.....

This really makes me angry. Why is it "OK" to have one, two, or three children, but after that, it seems to be a "bad" thing?

1:22 AM  
Anonymous tammie said...

Chris: I would contact someone high on the management chain (ie, headquarters) about this. NO ONE deserves this sort of treatment, ever. I'm sorry that you and your family were subjected to it, bravo to you for keeping you cool (well, as best as you could). Fight the man on this one, girl!

1:25 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well, I am so glad that you are so sassy. You shouldn't have to take crap from someone who is PAID to perform a service.

I've just been exploring the world of blogger and I really enjoyed this post.

KM(spaces.msn.com/littlerockbarnyard)

PS: aren't you glad you don't work at JJill?

1:29 AM  
Blogger Jennifer said...

I feel bad for your son. That has got to suck, getting treated like that by a saleswoman in a clothing store.

It seems like every time you go shopping, you meet one of these people! You must live in a snotty area.

1:36 AM  
Anonymous Maddy said...

I am sure that being a *cashier at Wal-mart* is a great job and I am sure the hard working women at Wal-mart (who may also read internet blogs) don't feel lower than any other person in the work force.

Bad customer service in any situation is unpleasant and to be rude to anyone is unacceptable. Definitely send a letter to the manager pointing out that their *customer service* person gives very *bad customer service* and tell them just how rude she was to you and your family. You never know there might even be some kind of compensation for your bad experience.

1:53 AM  
Anonymous Wendy said...

I have to say that I normally love J Jill, but I just may not ever shop their again. That is just beyond rude.

2:01 AM  
Blogger meredith said...

Oh man, I am sorry, that sucks. I really wish I could erase out the stupid people like that, and just leave the nice ones in the big picture of life.

3:55 AM  
Blogger peepnroosmom said...

You should definitely contact the management. How rude!
I have 2 boys of my own, but I'm keeping my 2 nieces for the summer. On our first trip to the mall,TWO people commented on how many kids I had! One was nice, but the other one said I glad I'm not you. Oh My Gosh!
People can really be rude sometimes.

7:40 AM  
Blogger TheLittleCanuck said...

Having only one, I think now my reaction seeing you handle 7 would be more along the lines of "I'm not worthy!"

I thought I was the only one to consistently get these awful salespeople (I think the husband thinks it's me, too), so it's good to hear I'm not alone. I support contacting management about it, but from experience, sadly, it doesn't always work, even with the worst psychos. All you can do is try and cross your fingers.

8:16 AM  
Blogger Chris said...

To clarify, I wasn't trying to insult people working at Wal-mart. My point was that working in a retail store is working in a retail store. Why should they feel so snobby?

I don't mine people commenting to me about my kids. The counting out loud makes me laugh because EVERYONE seems to do it. That's fine, it isn't intended to be rude.

But the thing is that people don't know when to shut their mouths. Asking what kind of car I drive, or how much milk we drink or something like that is fine with me. Making conversation like a polite human being, is okay.

ASking if we are on welfare, or better yet saying out loud, "That's where my tax dollars are going" is NOT okay. Nor is telling me to keep my legs closed or bring a gun to bed.

And yes, that happens.

8:21 AM  
Blogger Meg said...

Awesome, girl. You kick some ass through snark, which I seriously appreciate.

8:41 AM  
Anonymous Heather said...

You did some major ass kicking girl! As I was reading, I was hoping that you were going to say you told her to go #$%@! herself! But, I know, you are a better person than that. ;)

And how freakin true is this?-"You work in a clothing store. Despite what you may think, that is just a tiny side step from being a cashier at Wal-mart." I am going to keep this mentality the next time I encounter rude, stuck up sales creatures. LOL...

8:54 AM  
Blogger speckledpup said...

please, oh please forward your letter to the management....please, pretty please with sugar on it..and a cherry.

9:58 AM  
Blogger SB said...

you freakin' ROCK, woman!
Howmany times I have wanted to choke retail folk for this very thing. I have three handicapped kids and I have bionic hearing, so I get to hear some really foul things about my kids and me.

You simply must forward your blog to the JJill Customer service e-mail. I had a similar experience at a Home Depot after someone called my mentally retarded son a "menace to society" and a "genetic F-up". Home Depot fell all over themselves giving me gift cards. I took them, spent them, got the employee fired and felt much better.

HOOAH to you for being so cool!

10:08 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree that this woman was completely rude and ignorant. However, I don't believe that everyone should boycott J.Jill unless Chris contacts the management and gets no satisfaction. As the old saying goes, two wrongs don't make a right. Every company, no matter what it is, has a crappy employee. Such is life.

10:20 AM  
Anonymous cassie-b said...

Unbelievable. and for the second time today I'm asking, what ever happened to "the customer is always right"?

10:33 AM  
Blogger stacey said...

stupid people are everywhere and most are rude too. You go girl! I just don't get where they think that we can't hear and know what they think. Customer service needs a kick in the shorts anymore. You rock!

10:34 AM  
Blogger Julie said...

Did you hear the sound of my jaw hitting the floor since I am in awe of her rudeness? Good comeback, too.

I LOVE your "don't mess with Chris" posts.

10:38 AM  
Blogger Gretchen said...

O.M.G. you really do get the worst comments! There's not much I can add to the above comments, because I agree with most of them. Those people are paid to help you shop, as they can't get paid if they don't sell anything. They have no right to make assumptions about the people who shop there. I can't believe she tried to keep your sons out of the store.

If you can get an address, go for it and complain. It will at least make you feel good, even if it doesn't get her fired.

11:14 AM  
Blogger InterstellarLass said...

Wow. Some people just have a higher level of stupidity than others. Who the hell does she think she is? Retail Store Clerk. That's all you had to say.

11:26 AM  
Blogger Kristin said...

Oh my Lord... the NERVE of some people! "I would kill myself"! In front of your kids?! What a creep.

Great response by the way... I think I hate J.Jill now and your right... way too many elastic waistbands.

11:57 AM  
Blogger MommyHAM said...

A friend of mine just referred me to your blog - specifically the screwing/context post - last night. I hope that you take SERIOUS pleasure in knowing that there is more wit and class in your pinkies (they're very smart, after all, to help you type these masterpieces!) than she has in her whole brain & wardrobe!

Re: kids and family size - to each her own, questions included! I have two very wild younguns, and cannot handle it a lot of days - thus, am DONE for OUR family. But heck, it's awfully ignorant and downright arrogant for one to assume that she is the norm/mold for others to base their families on, right? I admire you and other women who do what's best for them and their families - as well as those who can rant in an intelligent and cutting manner!

12:06 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am SO so very sorry, Chris. I would have completely lost it. My oldest thinks I am rude for standing up to idiots, but I just cannot comprehend the coldhearted bitches.

I cannot even believe AFTER reading this entry that a reader would say: "but really, HOW do you do it." as you share daily your humor, and all that you do DO on a daily basis. WTH do people want from bloggers? If one is overwhelmed by one or two children, then THINK about how one with more than that MUST do it. One second at a time and with patience (often lost) and a partnership, hopefully - with a mate with a sense of humor and a real desire to raise good and healthy children - DUH!

People get some manners and tact.

Chris - keep up the good fight, I think of you and Carmen (and my sister's) on a daily basis, as I read you every day and so relate to what you share and must deal with. I truly so often want to enter a cave and never come out. Another reason to raise kids, and many -- is to KNOW you're surrounded by decent, caring individuals who aren't going to treat you like the idiots do *out there*

HUG from Elizabeth

12:51 PM  
Blogger Guinness_Girl said...

oh my god. I'll echo the chorus of folks wanting you to send this to the management. that's uncalled for.

12:52 PM  
Blogger The Daring One said...

Send it in to her permenant file, dude. My mom used to get that stuff all the time with 5 kids and I remember being angry about it as a young child. I'm so much angrier now.

1:01 PM  
Blogger Emily said...

what a jerk. yeah i vote call her manager. i don't understand ppl. who judge mothers (or even more funny, the kids) for being part of a big family. it's a personal choice, how many kids you decide to have!

1:04 PM  
Anonymous Darren said...

No, she didn't really say that to you. Did she? No, she didn't...

And you are going to write a letter to the company, right?

1:27 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As someone who wanted six kids but only managed to birth two, I envy those women who have large families. This salesclerk has obviously never suffered the loss of a child. When you want something so badly that you ache with ever fiber of your being, you don't think people are "cursed" to have children. You know they are blessed.

1:28 PM  
Blogger Silly Old Bear said...

No way would I have just written a letter. This woman deserves so much more...

Grrr.

1:55 PM  
Blogger Trena said...

You rock! I only wish that I could be so able to actually say what I want to salespeople that are rude. Usually, I'm just so floored in my head thinking "um...hi? You're working retail and probably making just above minimum wage and you have the nerve to make me, the consumer (um yeah...the person that in theory pays your wages) feel crappy about shopping in your store?" that the words just won't come out and I end up leaving and feeling dumb. If more people would actually call out bad customer service, maybe it would somehow improve!!!

2:37 PM  
Blogger chel said...

well said chris!!! I'm she was such a beast but even in times like these, you always make me laugh.

3:07 PM  
Blogger Danielle said...

I am always amazed at how rude people can be. At least your children had you as a good role model in this situation. You stood up for yourself but do not go ape shit on her. Good Job.

3:35 PM  
Blogger ktcakes said...

Argh! what in the hell?!
That's why I shop online...no real people. Sucks you had to make a return, though. I'm no good at remembering to send that stuff back.

4:12 PM  
Anonymous Maddy said...

Hey Chris, I am sure by now you figured out I work in retail (bank teller), and I love my job and I enjoy talking to all my customers. It hurts the retail industry, and all who love working in it, when someone does their job badly. You must tell this company about the way you were treated, they can't fix it if they don't know it's broken.

Here is the link for all who would like to complain about this bad customer service.

http://www.jjill.com/customer/CustomerServiceForm.asp

6:37 PM  
Anonymous Maddy said...

I'm not sure that link worked but you just go to their main page

http://www.jjill.com

and down the bottom is a link to the *customer service* department.

6:39 PM  
Blogger Mama Duck said...

That's awful!! How rude for ANYONE to say that, much less a person who is supposed to be at your service. I hope you have cost them a lot of business, hee hee hee.

7:54 PM  
Blogger J's Mommy said...

What a dirty rotten bitch!!!

9:50 PM  
Blogger Gwen said...

When I tell people that I come from a family of 7 people always ask if my parents knew what caused that. I just tell them "Yep, and it worked every time!"

I think a great thing to do would be to take this post and all the comments that have been posted and not only send it to corporate but hand it to the wench herself.

10:52 PM  
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Nevermind the fact that cell phones wouldn't work very well above 4,000 feet, and wouldn't work at ALL above 8,000 feet. But the conspiracy theorists won't let that fact get in the way of a good fantasy. That is one of the little things you "aren't supposed to think about". Nevermind that one of the callers called his mom and said his first and last name ("Hi mom, this is Mark Bingham"), more like he was reading from a list than calling his own mom. Anyway, when these airliners each deviated from their flight plan and didn't respond to ground control, NORAD would any other time have followed standard operating procedure (and did NOT have to be told by F.A.A. that there were hijackings because they were watching the same events unfold on their own radar) which means fighter jets would be scrambled from the nearest base where they were available on standby within a few minutes, just like every other time when airliners stray off course. 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Then the airliner vaporized itself into nothing but tiny unidentifiable pieces most no bigger than a fist, unlike the crash of a real airliner when you will be able to see at least some identifiable parts, like crumpled wings, broken tail section etc. Why, Hani Hanjour the terrible pilot flew that airliner so good that even though he hit the Pentagon on the ground floor the engines didn't even drag the ground!! Imagine that!! Though the airliner vaporized itself on impact it only made a tiny 16 foot hole in the building. Amazing. Meanwhile, though the planes hitting the Twin Towers caused fires small enough for the firefighters to be heard on their radios saying "We just need 2 hoses and we can knock this fire down" attesting to the small size of it, somehow they must have used magical powers from beyond the grave to make this morph into a raging inferno capable of making the steel on all forty-seven main support columns (not to mention the over 100 smaller support columns) soften and buckle, then all fail at once. Hmmm. Then still more magic was used to make the building totally defy physics as well as common sense in having the uppermost floors pass through the remainder of the building as quickly, meaning as effortlessly, as falling through air, a feat that without magic could only be done with explosives. Then exactly 30 minutes later the North Tower collapses in precisely the same freefall physics-defying manner. Incredible. Not to mention the fact that both collapsed at a uniform rate too, not slowing down, which also defies physics because as the uppermost floors crash into and through each successive floor beneath them they would shed more and more energy each time, thus slowing itself down. Common sense tells you this is not possible without either the hijackers' magical powers or explosives. To emphasize their telekinetic prowess, later in the day they made a third building, WTC # 7, collapse also at freefall rate though no plane or any major debris hit it. Amazing guys these magical hijackers. But we know it had to be "Muslim hijackers" the conspiracy theorist will tell you because (now don't laugh) one of their passports was "found" a couple days later near Ground Zero, miraculously "surviving" the fire that we were told incinerated planes, passengers and black boxes, and also "survived" the collapse of the building it was in. When common sense tells you if that were true then they should start making buildings and airliners out of heavy paper and plastic so as to be "indestructable" like that magic passport. The hijackers even used their magical powers to bring at least seven of their number back to life, to appear at american embassies outraged at being blamed for 9/11!! BBC reported on that and it is still online. Nevertheless, they also used magical powers to make the american government look like it was covering something up in the aftermath of this, what with the hasty removal of the steel debris and having it driven to ports in trucks with GPS locators on them, to be shipped overseas to China and India to be melted down. When common sense again tells you that this is paradoxical in that if the steel was so unimportant that they didn't bother saving some for analysis but so important as to require GPS locators on the trucks with one driver losing his job because he stopped to get lunch. Hmmmm. Further making themselves look guilty, the Bush administration steadfastly refused for over a year to allow a commission to investigate 9/11 to even be formed, only agreeing to it on the conditions that they get to dictate its scope, meaning it was based on the false pretense of the "official story" being true with no other alternatives allowed to be considered, handpicked all its members making sure the ones picked had vested interests in the truth remaining buried, and with Bush and Cheney only "testifying" together, only for an hour, behind closed doors, with their attorneys present and with their "testimonies" not being recorded by tape or even written down in notes. Yes, this whole story smacks of the utmost idiocy and fantastic far-fetched lying, but it is amazingly enough what some people believe. Even now, five years later, the provably false fairy tale of the "nineteen hijackers" is heard repeated again and again, and is accepted without question by so many Americans. 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Debunking Popular Mechanics lies:
http://www.lookingglassnews.org/viewstory.php?storyid=6880
someone else debunking Popular Mechanics crap:
http://www.serendipity.li/wot/pop_mech/reply_to_popular_mechanics.htm
still more debunking Popular Mechanics:
http://letsroll911.org/ipw-web/bulletin/bb/viewtopic.php?t=5505
and still more debunking of Popular Mechanics:
http://www.reopen911.org/ericreubt.htm

Popular Mechanics staff replaced just before laughable “debunking” article written:
http://www.reopen911.org/hiddenhand.htm
another neo-con 9/11 hit piece explodes, is retracted:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/august2006/180806hitpiece.htm
Professor Steven Jones debunks the N.I.S.T. “report” as well as the F.E.M.A. one and the 9/11 commission "report":
http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/wtc_buildings_collapse_steven_jones.htm
N.I.S.T. scientist interviewed:
http://www.teamliberty.net/id235.html
F.B.I. says no hard evidence linking Osama bin Laden to 9/11 which is why his wanted poster says nothing about 9/11:
http://forum.afghansite.com/index.php?showtopic=9349
Fire Engineering magazine says important questions about the Twin Tower “collapses” still need to be addressed:http://fe.pennnet.com/Articles/Article_Display.cfm?Section=OnlineArticles&SubSection=Display&PUBLICATION_ID=25&ARTICLE_ID

Twin Towers’ construction certifiers say they should have easily withstood it:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/november2004/121104easilywithstood.htm
USA Today interview with the last man out of the South Tower, pursued by a fireball:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/sept11/2001/12/19/usat-escape.htm
Janitor who heard explosions and escaped has testimony ignored by 9/11 whitewash commission:
http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/ignoring_9-11.html
Janitor starts speaking out about it and his apartment is burglarized, laptop stolen:
http://kurtnimmo.blogspot.com/2005/08/apartment-of-nine-eleven-hero-william_28.html
Firefighters tell of multiple explosions:
http://www.wnbc.com/news/1315651/detail.html
Eyewitnesses tell of explosions:
http://research.amnh.org/users/tyson/essays/TheHorrorTheHorror.html
Interview with another firefighter telling of explosions:
http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/Banaciski_Richard.txt
Firefighter saw “sparkles” (strobe lights on detonators?) before “collapse”:
http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/Fitzpatrick_Tom.txt
Other eyewitnesses talk of seeing/hearing explosions:
http://georgewashington.blogspot.com/2005/11/more-proof-911-inside-job-witnesses-to.html
Surviving eyewitnesses talk of multiple explosions there:
http://www.thememoryhole.org/911/veliz-bombs.htm
Cutter charge explosions clearly visible:
http://www.rense.com/general63/cutt.htm
The pyroclastic cloud (that dust cloud that a second before was concrete) and how it wouldn’t be possible without explosives:
http://st12.startlogic.com/~xenonpup/physics/
Detailed description of the demolition of the Twin Towers:
http://gordonssite.tripod.com/id2.html
Freefall rate of “collapses” math:
http://www.911blimp.net/prf_FreeFallPhysics.shtml
More about their freefall rate “collapses”:
http://www.serendipity.li/wot/second_wave.htm
Video footage of the controlled demolition of the Twin Towers:
http://www.plaguepuppy.net/public_html/video%20archive/
Video footage of the controlled demolition of WTC # 7 building:
http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/videos.html
More of WTC # 7 controlled demolition:
http://www.wtc7.net/
Naudet brothers' video footage of the North Tower crash:
http://www.911blimp.net/vid_Naudet.shtml
Photos of the Pentagon’s lawn (look at these and see if you can tell me with a straight face that a jumbo jet crashed there):
http://www.911blimp.net/cached/HuntTheBoeing!.htm
More photos of this amazing lawn at the Pentagon:
http://cryptogon.com/docs/Introducing%20the%20amazing%20Penta-Lawn%202000!%20(9-11).htm
Very unconvincing fake “Osama” “confession” tape:
http://welfarestate.com/wtc/faketape/
More about the fake “Osama” tape:
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/osamatape2.html
Fake “Mohammed Atta” “suicide” letter:
http://www.welfarestate.com/wtc/fake-letters.txt
Commercial pilots disagree with “official” 9/11 myth:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/september_11_us_government_accused.htm
More commercial jet pilots say “official” myth is impossible:
http://www.masternewmedia.org/2001/10/31/commercial_jet_pilots_analysis_of_the_twin_tower_attack.htm
Impossibility of cell phone calls from United 93:
http://www.physics911.net/cellphoneflight93.htm
More about the impossible cell phone calls:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO408B.html
Experiment proves cell phone calls were NOT possible from anywhere near the altitude the “official” myth has them at:
http://physics911.ca/org/modules/news/article.php?storyid=9
Fake Barbara Olson phone call:
http://www.vialls.com/lies911/lies.htm
Where the hell was the Air Force?
http://www.welfarestate.com/wtc/af-scramble.txt
More about the Air Force impotence question:
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0331-11.htm
Sept. 10th 2001, Pentagon announces it is “missing” $2.3 trillion (now why do you think they picked THAT day to announce it? So it could be buried the next day by 9/11 news):
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/01/29/eveningnews/main325985.shtml
Unocal pipeline-through-Afghanistan plan:
http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0513/p05s01-wosc.html
Unocal pipeline-through-Afghanistan plan mentioned:
http://thetyee.ca/Views/2006/05/19/OutOfAfghanistan
More on Unocal Afghan pipeline:
http://www.newscentralasia.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1031
The attack on Afghanistan was planned in the summer of 2001, months before 9/11:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/1550366.stm
Pentagon deliberately misled 9/11 Commission:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=EGG20060802&articleId=2887
Evidence destruction by authorities and cover-up:
http://www.flcv.com/coverup.html/
9/11 whitewash Commission and NORAD day:
http://fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/071204_final_fraud.shtml
The incredible fish tales of the 9/11 Commission examined:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=%20GR20051213&articleId=1478
Jeb Bush declares state of emergency 4 days before 9/11 for Florida, saying it will help respond to terrorism:
http://www.eionews.addr.com/psyops/news/jebknew.htm
Steel debris removal from Ground Zero, destruction of evidence:
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/groundzero/cleanup.html
Over two hundred incriminating bits of 9/11 evidence shown in the mainstream media:
http://thewebfairy.com/killtown/911smokingguns.html
Tracking the “hijackers”:
http://www.welfarestate.com/911/
“Hijacker” patsies:
http://911review.org/Wiki/HijackersPatsies.shtml
“Hijackers” receiving flight training at Pensacola Naval Air Station:
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0208/S00085.htm
Several accused "hijackers" still alive and well, wondering why they are accused:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1559151.stm
Yet the F.B.I. insists that the people it claims were the "hijackers" really were the "hijackers":
http://www.prisonplanet.com/fbi_denies_mix_up_of_911_terrorists.htm
No Arabs on Flight 77:
http://www.sierratimes.com/03/07/02/article_tro.htm
Thirty experts say “official” 9/11 myth impossible:
http://911fraud.blogspot.com/2005/06/us-governments-offical-911-story-is.html
“Al Qaeda” website tracks back to Maryland:
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/alqmaryland.html
Al Qaeda videos uploaded from U.S. government website:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2004/140704governmentwebsite.htm
Operation: Northwoods, a plan for a false-flag “terror” attack to be blamed on Castro to use it as a pretext for America to invade Cuba, thankfully not approved by Kennedy back in 1962 but was approved by the Joint Chiefs of Staff and sent to his desk:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/us_terror_plan_cuba_invasion_pretext.html

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